Richard Nixon and Alexander M. Haig Jr. on 12 June 1973


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Edited by Nicole Hemmer, with Ken Hughes, Kieran K. Matthews, and Marc J. Selverstone

In this conversation with White House chief of staff Alexander M. Haig Jr., President Nixon discusses ways to mollify Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, who has requested a meeting with the President. Haig and Nixon assume that Agnew is seeking a more substantial portfolio, although in his subsequent meeting with the President, Agnew will disclose that he is facing a set of legal and political challenges being dubbed “a little Watergate.”

Alexander M. Haig Jr.

Now, I’ve had two calls this morning from the Vice President [Spiro T. Agnew], who’s—he wants to have a few minutes with you today, [unclear], if you could possibly do it.[note 1] Spiro T. Agnew was vice president of the United States, January 1969 to October 1973. And I tried to ferret out what his problem is. He doesn’t have any problem. I think he’s very pleased with the speech he gave yesterday. And he—

President Nixon

Probably wants a new role.

Haig

Well, I think [unclear]

President Nixon

I’m telling you, he wants a new role, or he wants [unclear].

Haig

No, no.

President Nixon

We’re reorganizing things, and he wants to be—

Haig

He may want to take energy or something. He’d be a disaster there.

President Nixon

He can’t take energy. He can’t take a substantive role now.

Haig

Well, I’ve told his—

President Nixon

Tell me—listen. Ask him if he could [unclear] Thursday morning. Just say that I, that—look, that I am working on this very intensely, on this thing, and I’ll have him—I don’t want to rush him. I’d like to have a talk with him. I greatly appreciated his speech. Could we meet Thursday morning? Fair enough?

Haig

Right. And I’ll tell him that you were really up against it.

President Nixon

Tell him, you know, that I’ve been meeting today with—I’ve been meeting individual after individual, with all the members of the economic team. I’ve been up since 8:00 this morning on it. That I have not been seen today. I—

Haig

We shouldn’t have to add problems to what we’re working on—

President Nixon

We’re not going to do it [unclear]. [Unclear exchange.] We’re not going to do it—

Haig

That’s what I pointed out, what the problems are.

President Nixon

Yeah. Just say, look, he’s just delighted to see you, and that’s that.

Haig

Well, we got Bryce [N. Harlow] solidly, now that’s all set.[note 2] Bryce N. Harlow was special assistant to the president for congressional affairs, 1969–1970; and counselor to the president, 1970–1971 and June 1973–August 1974.

President Nixon

That’s fine. [Unclear.]

Haig

That’s great.

President Nixon

An outsider [unclear].

Haig

And we’re in good shape there.

President Nixon

You might tell the Vice President that Bryce is coming. The Vice President will [unclear]. I don’t know what he thinks of Bryce at the moment.

Haig

He is [unclear].

President Nixon

He used to—he is so parochial and selfish, basically, you know, and this and that, that . . . he just wants to come in and whine. And darn it, I’m just not going to have any darn whining right now.

Haig

You know, you’ve got enough on your mind that this [unclear]

President Nixon

I had his views on the economy. [Haig acknowledges.] And goddamn it, I’m not going to follow him. And . . .

Haig

That’s probably what he’s really after.

President Nixon

He wants to sit in on the economic meetings, huh? [Pause.] Well, shall we have him? No. Damn it, no. He’s not supposed to—I never sat in economic meetings.

Haig

Maybe he can have the Cabinet tomorrow?

President Nixon

Huh? That’s right.

Haig

And we can give him a little—

President Nixon

We’ll give him a private briefing tomorrow. Go ahead.

Haig

That’s the way we do that. Because he [unclear]

President Nixon

But I should see him Thursday morning. That I—that he did a great job on the speech. The President was tremendously [unclear] news summaries all mentioned. That I’ve just got to spend all day to get—just unless something has to occur [unclear] the day kind of meeting individually. Put it that way—when meetings take place, meeting individually with the members of the, you know, the economic community that I’m trying to—I think we should say, you know, I had his views. [Unclear.] [Haig acknowledges.] Now, it comes down to the [unclear]. God, what a whiner [unclear]. He knows what I’m dealing with now. He knows how tough this is.

Haig

Well, he surely better. ‘Cause if he doesn’t, there’s something awfully wrong.

President Nixon

Well, look. Let’s face it. He needs us more than we need him. And that’s true today, even though we’re having a little bit of a tough time. Agnew without us can’t fly at all.

Haig

That’s right. That’s right.

President Nixon

Can’t fly at all.

Haig

And he’s come after it wrong. He maybe wants just to recite to you what he’s done. There’s probably no more.

President Nixon

Well, if you—can you make him [unclear] that way?[note 3] President Nixon appears to say “wheel.”

Haig

Yes, sir.

President Nixon

“You’ve done a terrific job. I’ll see you Thursday. We’re going to see the Cabinet.” Well, tell him I’m still working on this economic thing. I’ve got his views on it. We’re sorting them out, as you know, day to day. I’m just creating a [unclear]. You know, [unclear].

Haig

[Unclear.]

President Nixon

[Unclear] this together. So we get it done.

Cite as

“Richard Nixon and Alexander M. Haig Jr. on 12 June 1973,” Conversation 937-019 (PRDE Excerpt A), Presidential Recordings Digital Edition [“Vice President Agnew,” ed. Nicole Hemmer] (Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2014–). URL: http://prde.upress.virginia.edu/conversations/4004776