Lyndon Johnson and Hubert Humphrey on 25 February 1964


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Edited by Robert David Johnson and Kent B. Germany, with Ashley Havard High and Patricia Dunn

See the daily introduction for 1964-02-25  [from the Norton edition]

President Johnson

Hubert?

Hubert Humphrey

Yes, Mr. President.

President Johnson

How did Carl Rowan get along?[note 1] Johnson’s nominee for head of the U.S. Information Agency (USIA), Rowan had testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for two hours. The toughest questioning came from Bourke Hickenlooper (R-Iowa), who was concerned about what he viewed as a negative portrayal of the United States in the USIA film on the March on Washington. Johnson’s extensive preparations over the past month finally paid off, as the Senate approved Rowan by voice vote this day. Washington Post, 26 February 1964.

Humphrey

Wonderfully. Made a splendid impression, and I think he’ll have a unanimous report, sir.

President Johnson

That’s good. That’s all I want to know.

Humphrey

He did just beautifully here and answered the questions with reflection and dignity and honesty, and I’m sure that everyone will vote for him.

President Johnson

That’s good.

Now, you be awfully careful to be sure that you have some notes on clearance from Justice Department, and you make them . . . you point out to them that you’ve got to have some farm support too.

Humphrey

Yes, sir.

President Johnson

For this bill and that, it may mean the difference. A fellow like Milton Young:[note 2] Young was a Republican senator from North Dakota. You might tell Milton Young that by God, you don’t want him fighting you if you get up his wheat bill.

Humphrey

Yeah. I think I’ll play that off a little bit.

President Johnson

OK.

Humphrey

You bet. Thank you.

In the early afternoon Johnson gave New York Times columnist Tom Wicker 30 minutes alone, followed by a discussion with Johnson confidant Clark Clifford. Johnson and Clifford walked to the pool, and while there, the President took a call from Dean Rusk. At 3:00, Johnson proceeded upstairs, where he remained for most of the afternoon and had calls with Walter Jenkins, McGeorge Bundy, Pierre Salinger, George Meany, Jack Valenti, Hubert Humphrey, James Reynolds, and Bill Moyers. The President returned to the Oval Office at 5:30 to meet with Robert Kerr Jr., the son of the late Oklahoma senator who had narrowly escaped his own death in December 1963 when his plane crashed at the LBJ Ranch. The evening featured another reception for members of Congress. Word leaked that the biggest hit of the dinners was not the President’s hospitality but the First Lady’s tour of the upstairs quarters—reserved for congressional wives. Johnson finished up the evening with late-night calls to Valenti and secretary Vicki McCammon.

Two days later the President was scheduled to head to Miami for a Democratic Party fund-raiser, but most locals would remember late February 1964 for another reason. Tonight, in Miami Beach shortly after 10:00, Cassius Clay (later known as Muhammad Ali) upset Sonny Liston for his first heavyweight boxing title, taking a technical knockout before the seventh round. Robert Lipsyte of the New York Times remarked in astonishment that the “loud-mouthed, bragging, insulting youngster” had backed up earlier self-generated predictions of his greatness.[note 3] New York Times, 26 February 1964.

Cite as

“Lyndon Johnson and Hubert Humphrey on 25 February 1964,” Tape WH6402.21, Citation #2198, Presidential Recordings Digital Edition [Toward the Great Society, vol. 4, ed. Robert David Johnson and Kent B. Germany] (Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2014–). URL: http://prde.upress.virginia.edu/conversations/9040239

Originally published in

Lyndon B. Johnson: Toward the Great Society, February 1, 1964–March 8, 1964, ed. Robert David Johnson and Kent B. Germany, vol. 4 of The Presidential Recordings (New York and London: W. W. Norton and Company, 2007).