I’ve got one piece of bad news that I think you should be aware of. Not the details, but the Vice President’s [Spiro T. Agnew] in some trouble.[note 1] Spiro T. Agnew was vice president of the United States, January 1969 to October 1973.

It’s going to break?

He thinks so. It still may not, but the fellow who can hurt him has just been given full immunity and is going to testify.

Who is the fellow? Was he working on his staff?

A fellow named [Jerome] Wolff. Yes.

Was on his staff?

Been with him for nine years.

And on [Marvin] Mandel’s staff?[note 2] Marvin Mandel succeeded Spiro T. Agnew as governor of Maryland in 1969, when Agnew assumed the vice presidency. Mandel remained in office until 1979.

No. He’s been over here. In the Vice President’s staff here, after the Vice President came to [unclear].

He took him with him here? And he’s going over to testify against the Vice President?

Well, we don’t know what he’ll say, but he could be very damaging. Jewish, I’ll bet, which I wouldn’t be surprised. He handled—

I’d hate to say that [unclear].

He handled the contracts for the state of Maryland for the governor . . . when he [Agnew] was governor. Then I think he stayed with Mandel for a period and then he was brought over to the Vice President’s staff.

So they’re giving him full immunity, and they think—

Full immunity.

—he’s going to—

It involves some bad stuff.

Like what? Not [unclear], we’re sure it’s not the Vice President?

No, nothing—nothing—

What he did as governor.

Way back in the governor period. Payoffs for contracts.

Payoffs for campaign funds, but not for the Vice President’s personal use?

Not for his personal use, but for this guy’s personal use, and for—

Wolff’s?

—fundraisers. There were two men involved—Wolff and [unclear]—

You know, when you look at our campaign, if they took all the political stuff here, take everyone, you know. Every single soul, except for this stinking . . . remember, nobody made any money.

[Unclear.]

Not [unclear]. Not [Charles G. “Bebe”] Rebozo.[note 3] Charles G. “Bebe” Rebozo was a businessman and friend of President Nixon. Not [Maurice H.] Stans.[note 4] Maurice H. Stans was secretary of commerce, January 1969 to February 1972; and the chairman of the Finance Committee of the Committee to Re-Elect the President, 1972. Nobody made a stinking, stark, sinking cent! You know what I mean? There were no payoffs. I’ll bet you the [George S.] McGovern [D–South Dakota] campaign was full of it.[note 5] George S. McGovern was a Democratic senator from South Dakota, 1963–1981; and the Democratic U.S. presidential nominee in 1972.

Of course.

Well, listen, let’s not worry about that. Let it—and he may be able to ride it through, too.

He may be. But I wanted you to be aware of it.

Point out the fact that it happened many years ago and what the heck [unclear].