Transcript
Edited by Max Holland, with David Shreve, Ashley Havard High, and Patricia Dunn
See the daily introduction for 1963-11-25 [from the Norton edition]
The conversation with the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was part of President Johnson’s methodical cultivation of all the major civil rights leaders.
. . . interest and your cooperation, and your communication, and a good many people told me that they heard about your statement.[note 1] King had publicly stated his support for the new President. I guess it [was] on TV wasn’t it?
Yes, that’s right—
I—
—uh-huh.
I been locked up in this office, and I haven’t seen it. But I want to tell you how grateful I am, and how worthy I’m going to try to be of all your hopes.
Well, thank you very much. I’m so happy to hear that, and I knew that you had just that great spirit and you know you have our support and backing—
Well—
—because we know what a difficult period this is. [Unclear]—
—it’s a—it’s just an impossible period. We got a budget coming up that’s—we got nothing to do with it, it’s practically already made. And we got a civil rights bill that hadn’t even passed the House, and it’s November, and Hubert Humphrey told me yesterday everybody wanted to go home. We got a tax bill that they haven’t touched. We just got to let up—not let up on any of them and keep going and—
[Unclear]—
—I guess they’ll say that I’m repudiated. But I’m going to ask the Congress Wednesday to just stay there until they pass them all.[note 2] Johnson was referring to his upcoming speech before a Joint Session of Congress. They won’t do it. But we’ll just keep them there next year until they do, and we just won’t give up an inch.
Uh-huh. Well this is mighty fine. I think it’s so imperative. I think one of the great tributes that we can pay in memory of President Kennedy is to try to enact some of the great, progressive policies that he sought to initiate.
Well, I’m going to support them all, and you can count on that. And I’m going to do my best to get other men to do likewise, and I’ll have to have you-all’s help—
Right.
—I never needed it more than I do now.
Well, you know you have it, and just feel free to call on us for anything.
Thank you so much, Martin—
All right. Give my—
—call me when you’re—
—regards to the family.
I sure will. And call me when you’re down here next time.
I certainly will, Mr. President.
Let’s get together. And any suggestions you got, bring them in.
Fine, I certainly will do that.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for calling.
Cite as
“Lyndon Johnson and Martin Luther King, Jr. on 25 November 1963,” Tape K6311.02, PNO 22, Presidential Recordings Digital Edition [The Kennedy Assassination and the Transfer of Power, vol. 1, ed. Max Holland] (Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2014–). URL: http://prde.upress.virginia.edu/conversations/9010106
Originally published in
Lyndon B. Johnson: The Kennedy Assassination and the Transfer of Power, November 1963–January 1964, ed. Max Holland, vol. 1 of The Presidential Recordings (New York and London: W. W. Norton and Company, 2005).